Space missiles with contrails?

topic posted Sat, October 2, 2004 - 9:20 AM by  Yul
About that Battlestar Galactica remake, what's up with those space missiles with contrails? I thought liquid water couldn't exist in a vacuum, so how can they have contrails?
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Yul
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  • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

    Wed, November 15, 2006 - 4:37 PM
    SOMETHING'S coming outta the as-end of those torps, so it stands to reason that whatever it is, it's leaving a trail. Could be water crystals (a common result of combustion), but could be all sorts of stuff.

    The bullets don't leave contrails, so this is good.

    And I have to say that seeing eighty-jillion contrails all converging on a ship is really, really cool. 8)
    • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

      Wed, November 15, 2006 - 4:41 PM
      this is easy to explain yul; its burnt fuel.
      • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

        Wed, November 15, 2006 - 4:46 PM
        H2O is a very common exhaust from rockets even now and it is white.

        Probably carbon remnants ("burnt") would be black and not as easily seen, but yeah, that would probably be there as well.
      • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

        Thu, November 16, 2006 - 12:24 AM
        prometheous and All,

        I'm new here, so let me jump into the water, proper.....

        Ok guys, lets get real for a moment...Hollywood and counterparts are just chock full of bull-shit, ok? Its a TV show written by pseudo-techno-nerdos, they ain't even real nerds, little alone, physics or sci majors, just bull-shit artists. However to be fair, these 'artists' also have to convey a sense of artificial reality to the viewers of their 'art', true? Else their shows will be very efin boring. I mean, guys, lets look at the facts, how does one sense motion of a remotely viewed physical object in space? Typically there are no 'stationary' visual references when another object such as a planet or a 'ship' is not in the view-space? So what can do they do? They bend reality a little bit, 'special-effects'....the writers exhaust fuel, a contrail of sorts, only one little problem, --spent fuel exhaust, beyond oxidation does not self radiate photonic energy and unless there is a bright sun nearby and the exhaust occludes or refracts the energy in the optical axis of the viewer it is invisible. To be rigorous, should the 'exhaust' radiate any spectral energy, it is likely to be near-infrared which is invisible to the unaided (there are IR to visible light converters) Human eye and in a rapidly diminishing magnitude as the depth of space, (typically -8 Torr) is a significant heat sink...its IR signature is cold.

        So Yul, and Y'all, its easy to explain, its mostly entertaining bull-doo doo...heh heh heh heh, know what I mean? Its all bueno..good!

        Love

        walt
        Empaths, Telepaths and Mystical Qabalists moderator

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        prometheous posted:

        Re: Space missiles with contrails?
        Wed, November 15, 2006 - 4:41 PM

        this is easy to explain yul; its burnt fuel.
        • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

          Thu, November 16, 2006 - 12:53 AM
          "its easy to explain, its mostly entertaining bull-doo doo...heh heh heh heh, know what I mean?"

          It sounds like you can't get into the spirit of the discussion.

          "only one little problem, --spent fuel exhaust, beyond oxidation does not self radiate photonic energy and unless there is a bright sun nearby and the exhaust occludes or refracts the energy in the optical axis of the viewer it is invisible."

          This is why I was suggesting water vapor crystals. They reflect damn well and water vapor is a common result of rocket exhaust.
          • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

            Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:32 AM
            I agree with Edward on several points.
            That being said there is a very simple answer to all of this, and it includes "photonic energy" (which is a fancy way of saying "light-source").

            These rockets/space missiles have a propulsion system correct?
            The exhaust contrails are simply highlighted by the weapons' own engines (which is the correct term for rocket propulsion for all you nitpickers) allowing the contrails to be seen easily.

            Also, who's to say that the exhaust is not intentionally slightly radioactive (light/heat is a type of radiation after all) to serve as a sort of tracer round for the Galactica's admittedly low tech guidance systems.
    • Re: Space missiles with contrails?

      Mon, July 16, 2007 - 2:31 PM
      I think your explanation is pretty accurate--they knew that the missiles shouldn't leave contrails, but visually, it just wasn't as exciting. ;-)

      This is one case where they knew they were doing "bad science."

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